Comments on: Logic Does Not Apply Part 2: Breakfast http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast Educating & Outfitting The Strongest Athletes in the World Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:06:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bella18 http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-3/#comment-457394 Bella18 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:53:42 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-457394 Its always annoying to read people arguing using theories, research, 'facts'. At the end of the day the proof is in the pudding. So if you have weight to lose, try skipping breakfast for a couple of months and see what happens. Plenty of people have done this and from what i've read, most have lost weight. Facts for me, I'm not overly active, about 20 kilos overweight even though I stick to 1300-1500 calories, and I'm rarely hungry in the morning. I've always forced breakfast down my throat because nutritionist warn of metabolic armaggedon if you don't eat it. So as of today, I am skipping breakfast (which usually makes me ravenous by 10.30 anyway). I skipped it this morning and didn't feel hungry until about 12.30. Will my body go into starvation mode, will I just lose muscle and end up slowing my metabolism even more ? Stay tuned.. Its always annoying to read people arguing using theories, research, ‘facts’. At the end of the day the proof is in the pudding. So if you have weight to lose, try skipping breakfast for a couple of months and see what happens. Plenty of people have done this and from what i’ve read, most have lost weight.

Facts for me, I’m not overly active, about 20 kilos overweight even though I stick to 1300-1500 calories, and I’m rarely hungry in the morning. I’ve always forced breakfast down my throat because nutritionist warn of metabolic armaggedon if you don’t eat it.

So as of today, I am skipping breakfast (which usually makes me ravenous by 10.30 anyway).

I skipped it this morning and didn’t feel hungry until about 12.30. Will my body go into starvation mode, will I just lose muscle and end up slowing my metabolism even more ? Stay tuned..

]]> By: Q1 2012 – Nutrition Plan « Jotting my fitness travesia… http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-3/#comment-442789 Q1 2012 – Nutrition Plan « Jotting my fitness travesia… Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:54:52 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-442789 [...] Is Breakfast critical: http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/ [...] [...] Is Breakfast critical: http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/ [...]

]]> By: Matt http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-3/#comment-414873 Matt Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:16:41 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-414873 I seriously love how ppl give Kiefer a LOT of shit since he goes against the shitty grain in our field. This IS Elite FTS, is it NOT? just checking. oh and heres another check: who's reccomendations does Brian Carroll, Jason Pegg, Julia Ladewski, and I believe a few other ELITE FTS athletes follow? Kiefer? A LOT of what passes for info in this industry, even at a college level, is just unproven bullshit. I have a degree in Fitness Development. SO FUCKING WHAT. The shit I was forced to learn was so wrong it wasnt even funny. Having a Kines degree doesnt guarantee you know a damn thing. It means you learned what bullshit others passed off as their own; I know, 90% of the ppl in my major seriously thought that a calorie is a calorie. What are we, fucking ovens? Last i checked im not. I gotta say, Id like to think im unbiased, but that would be an outright fabrication. Kiefers info is ALWAYS backed up by facts and real-world data. Speaking of which, the shit that is passesd around as 'knowledge' in the fitness industry is what? Conjecture at best from an observational (and probably biased) study? ONE? His shit works. Other shit works. From what ive seen, his works faster and better. im not gonna reply to any derogatory shit towards me, but iIF you really dont think this works, then TRY IT. EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS MEANT TO BE. DOWN TO THE FUCKING TEE. and if it doesnt work for you after doing it perfectly, then you have lost nothing. I seriously love how ppl give Kiefer a LOT of shit since he goes against the shitty grain in our field. This IS Elite FTS, is it NOT? just checking. oh and heres another check: who’s reccomendations does Brian Carroll, Jason Pegg, Julia Ladewski, and I believe a few other ELITE FTS athletes follow? Kiefer? A LOT of what passes for info in this industry, even at a college level, is just unproven bullshit. I have a degree in Fitness Development. SO FUCKING WHAT. The shit I was forced to learn was so wrong it wasnt even funny. Having a Kines degree doesnt guarantee you know a damn thing. It means you learned what bullshit others passed off as their own; I know, 90% of the ppl in my major seriously thought that a calorie is a calorie. What are we, fucking ovens? Last i checked im not. I gotta say, Id like to think im unbiased, but that would be an outright fabrication. Kiefers info is ALWAYS backed up by facts and real-world data. Speaking of which, the shit that is passesd around as ‘knowledge’ in the fitness industry is what? Conjecture at best from an observational (and probably biased) study? ONE? His shit works. Other shit works. From what ive seen, his works faster and better. im not gonna reply to any derogatory shit towards me, but iIF you really dont think this works, then TRY IT. EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS MEANT TO BE. DOWN TO THE FUCKING TEE. and if it doesnt work for you after doing it perfectly, then you have lost nothing.

]]> By: A Critique of Jack Kruse's Recent Post | Mark's Daily Apple Health and Fitness Forum page http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-3/#comment-297450 A Critique of Jack Kruse's Recent Post | Mark's Daily Apple Health and Fitness Forum page Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:49:40 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-297450 [...] as much as carbs (+they also have a synergistic effect). Refer to this article for more information:Logic Does Not Apply Part 2: Breakfast 4. For optimal results you must get most of your daily activity between 9AM and 4PM when light [...] [...] as much as carbs (+they also have a synergistic effect). Refer to this article for more information:Logic Does Not Apply Part 2: Breakfast 4. For optimal results you must get most of your daily activity between 9AM and 4PM when light [...]

]]> By: Thoughts on Height | Mark's Daily Apple Health and Fitness Forum page 5 http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-3/#comment-297440 Thoughts on Height | Mark's Daily Apple Health and Fitness Forum page 5 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:46:58 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-297440 [...] as much as carbs (+they also have a synergistic effect). Refer to this article for more information:Logic Does Not Apply Part 2: Breakfast Originally Posted by Jack 4. For optimal results you must get most of your daily activity [...] [...] as much as carbs (+they also have a synergistic effect). Refer to this article for more information:Logic Does Not Apply Part 2: Breakfast Originally Posted by Jack 4. For optimal results you must get most of your daily activity [...]

]]> By: Synthetic Wisdom Equals True Bullshit « « Dangerously HardcoreDangerously Hardcore http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-3/#comment-288248 Synthetic Wisdom Equals True Bullshit « « Dangerously HardcoreDangerously Hardcore Sat, 19 Nov 2011 02:34:19 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-288248 [...] thing in the morning should let you pig out all day without getting fat (definitely not true-see here); if the Warrior Diet—which forgoes eating all day, allowing only a single huge meal at [...] [...] thing in the morning should let you pig out all day without getting fat (definitely not true-see here); if the Warrior Diet—which forgoes eating all day, allowing only a single huge meal at [...]

]]> By: Eric B. http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-3/#comment-273951 Eric B. Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:42:20 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-273951 @Jonathan. If you have'nt seen it already I saw somewhat of an answer to your question on dangerouslyhardcore.com. Keifer advised a guy to only take leucine after training and only then. Do not take it on your off days. This may pertain more to carb back-loading but in my opinion as long as it's "post training" it's a safe(if not recommended) bet. If you are not working out with carb nite then don't take leucine. @Jonathan. If you have’nt seen it already I saw somewhat of an answer to your question on dangerouslyhardcore.com. Keifer advised a guy to only take leucine after training and only then. Do not take it on your off days. This may pertain more to carb back-loading but in my opinion as long as it’s “post training” it’s a safe(if not recommended) bet. If you are not working out with carb nite then don’t take leucine.

]]> By: The Ultimate Breakfast « adriancrowe http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-3/#comment-254069 The Ultimate Breakfast « adriancrowe Mon, 07 Nov 2011 07:59:08 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-254069 [...] Before I continue with this breakfast is for champions speech I want those that simply have ZERO appetite upon waking to read this:  http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/ [...] [...] Before I continue with this breakfast is for champions speech I want those that simply have ZERO appetite upon waking to read this:  http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/ [...]

]]> By: Jonathan http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-3/#comment-242394 Jonathan Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:25:29 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-242394 You say that leucine stimulates insulin release, does this mean that it would be detrimental to take leucine whilst trying to lose fat via the carb nite solution ? You say that leucine stimulates insulin release, does this mean that it would be detrimental to take leucine whilst trying to lose fat via the carb nite solution ?

]]> By: Eric B. http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-3/#comment-232655 Eric B. Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:35:50 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-232655 I realize this post started well over a year ago(but anyways). First off - VERY ENTERTAINING! This made like 2 or 3 hours of my work day fly bye! 2nd - I would have to repost what I saw but I do(in light of the "nothing new" controversy) recall seeing Keifer post his diet similar to others but with(in my words) tweaking. That being said he's mentioned there are other ways. You want breakfast? Have it! I never ONCE seen him post that this diet is the only way to go. If you want to try it - he's got the knowledge and research to help you do so. Bottom line: If it WORKS for you keep it up! If it DOES'NT then try something else. You gotta remember something about the "common man" or society>>> We really don't care WHAT YOUR DEGREE IS. Sure it's a start but YOU GOT TO PROVE YOURSELF. It's just like job hunting. You read a job add and what does it say? A(certain) degree in whatever and WHAT ELSE? A minimum of + years of experience. Why? Your study does'nt mean a thing to them if you cannot APPLY what you've learned. In light of the debate between Keifer and Tim: You both are successful. You both have clients that back you up. Tim could have been a lil more polite from the get-go(Sorry Tim, but you did push first :D) and that would make anyone's response a lil huffy, but Keifer's plan -original or revised- is working and WHAT WORKS IS ALL WE CARE ABOUT. I realize this post started well over a year ago(but anyways). First off – VERY ENTERTAINING! This made like 2 or 3 hours of my work day fly bye! 2nd – I would have to repost what I saw but I do(in light of the “nothing new” controversy) recall seeing Keifer post his diet similar to others but with(in my words) tweaking. That being said he’s mentioned there are other ways. You want breakfast? Have it! I never ONCE seen him post that this diet is the only way to go. If you want to try it – he’s got the knowledge and research to help you do so.
Bottom line: If it WORKS for you keep it up! If it DOES’NT then try something else. You gotta remember something about the “common man” or society>>> We really don’t care WHAT YOUR DEGREE IS. Sure it’s a start but YOU GOT TO PROVE YOURSELF. It’s just like job hunting. You read a job add and what does it say? A(certain) degree in whatever and WHAT ELSE? A minimum of + years of experience. Why? Your study does’nt mean a thing to them if you cannot APPLY what you’ve learned.
In light of the debate between Keifer and Tim: You both are successful. You both have clients that back you up. Tim could have been a lil more polite from the get-go(Sorry Tim, but you did push first :D ) and that would make anyone’s response a lil huffy, but Keifer’s plan -original or revised- is working and WHAT WORKS IS ALL WE CARE ABOUT.

]]> By: Andy Parker http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-3/#comment-184531 Andy Parker Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:52:23 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-184531 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3092383.stm I eat breakfast so I feel full and am not tempted to pig out later. Sorry but I agree with Tim Gritzman....how ever I am not an expert just a 50 year old trying to lose weight eating sensibly by having my calorie intake monitored and exercising 6 days a week, with meals spread over the whole day. At present I am losing weight and dont feel tempted to graze during the day on bad food choices http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3092383.stm I eat breakfast so I feel full and am not tempted to pig out later.

Sorry but I agree with Tim Gritzman….how ever I am not an expert just a 50 year old trying to lose weight eating sensibly by having my calorie intake monitored and exercising 6 days a week, with meals spread over the whole day.

At present I am losing weight and dont feel tempted to graze during the day on bad food choices

]]> By: Errata for Logic Does Not Apply—Breakfast from EliteFTS « Dangerously Hardcore http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-2/#comment-179424 Errata for Logic Does Not Apply—Breakfast from EliteFTS « Dangerously Hardcore Wed, 28 Sep 2011 04:17:52 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-179424 [...] of the jumbled citations starting at (3), none of the reference numbers are correct for Logic Does Not Apply Part 2: Breakfast published on EliteFTS. Below is the corrected [...] [...] of the jumbled citations starting at (3), none of the reference numbers are correct for Logic Does Not Apply Part 2: Breakfast published on EliteFTS. Below is the corrected [...]

]]> By: Inspiration Box « danielkougias http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-2/#comment-176955 Inspiration Box « danielkougias Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:47:22 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-176955 [...] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXOdqqLvqMQ http://nutritiondata.self.com/ http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/ http://www.leangains.com/ http://www.musculardevelopment.com/ [...] [...] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXOdqqLvqMQ http://nutritiondata.self.com/ http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/ http://www.leangains.com/ http://www.musculardevelopment.com/ [...]

]]> By: Dong Cheadle http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-2/#comment-161144 Dong Cheadle Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:03:19 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-161144 I'm giving this a try... I love breakfast, but I will push it out 2 hours if I can reap these benefits. I had a few questions though: 1. What if you are lifting in the morning, should you eat some oatmeal, with blueberries and almonds (this is what I usually eat) or should you workout on an empty stomach and just eat after? 2. Can you have coffee within the first 2 hours of waking, or would that trigger a release of insulin? I’m giving this a try… I love breakfast, but I will push it out 2 hours if I can reap these benefits. I had a few questions though:

1. What if you are lifting in the morning, should you eat some oatmeal, with blueberries and almonds (this is what I usually eat) or should you workout on an empty stomach and just eat after?

2. Can you have coffee within the first 2 hours of waking, or would that trigger a release of insulin?

]]> By: Training on empty stomach. http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/logic-does-not-apply-part-2-breakfast/comment-page-2/#comment-111642 Training on empty stomach. Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:33:06 +0000 http://articles.elitefts.com/?p=8583#comment-111642 [...] 1356 times Don't forget this, which I found again recently: Logic Does Not Apply Part 2: Breakfast [...] [...] 1356 times Don't forget this, which I found again recently: Logic Does Not Apply Part 2: Breakfast [...]

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